I don't want to make this board too US Politics-centric, but almost every country is covering and a lot of people have opinions...what say all of you?
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I don't want to make this board too US Politics-centric, but almost every country is covering and a lot of people have opinions...what say all of you?
It' hard to say who will win in November?
No... the question is: Who would/will you vote for as the President of the United States?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwnmuiy
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Do you know that Obama's full name is Barack Hussein Obama?
How weird is that the Americans will vote for someone named Hussein? And don't get me started on Obama Biden...
Whoever wins, let's hope they stop pouring billions into the arms race and start investing in their crumbling national economy, the natural result of several decades of the U.S. "protecting American interests abroad"...
After watching part of the debate the other night, I wish americans had a third choice, personally, I don't like either of them for completely different reasons.
Yo, mvictoria, después de ver el debate, hubiera deseado que los Argentinos hubiésemos tenido un debate así, pero acá los candidatos no debaten (por?) y encima ganaaaannnn!! qué país!!!
Por razones obvias, me gustaría que ganara el que mejor intenciones tenga en términos de relaciones comerciales y póliticas con Latinoamérica; aunque por razones también obvias, las relaciones entre USA y mi país lamentablemente se deterioran cada vez mas
Saludos
Sumale que acá los Argentinos votan al divino pepe, si total compran votos y hacen fraude...!Quote:
Originally Posted by mem286
:D ha ha ha I guess anythng is possible in the Twilight ZoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Veronica
Perhaps it's not weird at all. Perhaps "Americans" should be given more credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veronica
And I don't understand your last comment about "Obama Biden"
Agreed. I'll be voting for Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottJ
I'm guessing Veronica compared "Obama Biden" with "Osama Bin"... I'm right? I'm not THAT twisted, am I?
I think Bush (and so the republicans) did a lot to make this world a worst place. He is nuts, and I confirm that everytime I watch him speak on TV. It makes me sad to see that these kind of people are the ones who rule our world...
So I'd vote Obama all the way. I believe it's democrats turn to show the world what USA has to offer.
Obama/Biden are a dream come true. If that old shaky man and stupid embarrassment of a woman win ill quit the US. She can take a leap of the bridge to nowhere, aparently Russia is close enough to her house she can paddle ashore there.
Emily -
Long time no see! Good to see your heart hasn't softened in your time off!:D
It is interesting to hear the views of those from outside my country but I suspect they have a very limited understanding of how fractured American society is today. Our economic stability is shaken to its core and the shock waves are being felt across the globe. Our political views have become so polarized that the presidential and vice presidential debates found our only common ground is our grief over how desperate the situation is becoming and the question has become one of socialism versus capitalism.
Obama’s name is truly not a factor in America as we are used to second and third generation citizens having ethnic names. What is a factor are his hard line socialistic views that call for a huge influx in government regulation of what is now in the public domain and the increase in taxation required to oversee such regulation. This forced redistribution of wealth from private business coffers to government coffers is a radical change for America which has based its political and economic philosophy until now on capitalism.
I recognize that many people are living comfortably in socialist societies and I support their right to do so. But I, like many Americans, do not want to give up on capitalism as this would mean conforming to a government imposed socioeconomic norm and giving up on personal ambition. In a socialist society only politicians grow up to be wealthy and powerful. In a capitalist society anyone can. For these reasons I cannot support Barak Obama for president.
Joel
"giving up on personal ambition"? That is taking it to an extreme that simply blows my mind. The current capitalist system continues to have these blips because the people in charge are simply too greedy and they exploit those beneath them. Regulating that sort of abuse of the low and middle classes' resources would not affect ambition at all. I find it appalling that people I respect do not think that every citizen is entitled to health care, but that's a different argument with a wealth of solutions. The key point here is that I have not seen or heard anything to make me believe that Obama is a "socialist". The government ALWAYS gets involved in the lives of its citizens when it is working for the betterment of the majority. The New Deal is the best example, but you can look at things like "highways", the post office, public schools (ok...don't look there), etc., to see that the government has always stepped in and said "we'll take care of this part". Not to mention that George W. Bush, a capitalist man's pesident, no?, increased the budget and increased federal programs to a point never dreamed of by a Democrat...in short, I don't see ties to "socialism" in the form of Barack Obama's policies, but I do see that "capitalism" has brought the US to a dangerous point (again) and it may only get worse, depending on what happens to the budget deficit and foriegn debt...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Detective
Do I make any sense?
Yes Scott, you do make sense, but your own words belie your personal slant toward socialism. Greedy capitalist exploiting those beneath them has been the mantra of socialist for longer than I have bee around and will continue to be a dividing view between capitalist and socialist. If you listen to Senator Obama you will regularly hear him use such socialist catch phrases as “redistribution of wealth”. As far as George W. Bush is concerned I would hardly call him “a capitalist man’s president” for the very reasons you have brought out.
I do not believe it is capitalism that is to blame for our current situation. I blame the Congress (all the political parties represented) for failing to enforce the financial legislation currently in place that is meant to regulate those actors who have a strong influence in our economy. We would never see an Enron or Sallie Mae scandal if the current laws were enforced. If you want to bemoan the greedy exploiting the system you need to look no further than your own congressman or senator. I do not believe the answer is the kind of government regulation and takeover of private business suggested by Senator Obama.
That said I do understand your frustration at our current situation. I just disagree with your solution and thank God we live in a society where I can do so respectfully and publicly.
Joel
Just as you say that there is a difference between "proper government regulation" and "that proposed by Senator Obama", I set forth that there is a difference between "Obama's regulation proposals" and "socialism".Quote:
Originally Posted by El Detective
And, just to expound on a case you brought up regarding regulation, the truly concerning thing, big picture wise, is that they single-handedly caused the California blackout crises during the time that the commodities were deregulated (i.e., no laws were enforcing them...). Enron gladly stepped in, profited as much as they could, and then backed off when they were re-regulated in 2001. Yeah, I am for the government putting companies in check and making sure that blackouts or energy crises are not caused by people who are simply looking to mess around with people to make a buck. If that makes me a socialist (or someone who maybe didn't understand the situation), then feel free to call me a socialist (or someone who doesn't understand complex situations).
With all respect,
Scott
Thak you Scott,
I have a great deal of respect for you too. I think we shouldn't get too hung up on the labels. After all a great deal of basic socialist philosophy has been accepted in the Democratic Party Platform and accepted by many (prehaps most) Americans.
When I was young Bob Dylan sang "the times they are achangin". Now that my generation is letting go and a new generation taking over the leadership of my country I need to remind myself tha things will keep changing, politically evolving, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
With admiration for youthful elan,
Joel
Scott J,
long time no see tmb! and please dont worry, I will never soften :) (ps, congrats!) anywho, hope you got your vote in~!!!!
Results of polls show that there is a big chance for Obama to be US president.
I am stunned. Do you know this "stupid embarrassment of a woman"? How can you call her that knowing so little about her?Quote:
Originally Posted by emilyb
Your post is highly insulting. Shocking I would say. Not at all worthwhile commenting. Too stupid to be true.
To be fair...we won't judge her intelligence. We can, however, track what she has said and how that has changed over time, also known as lying.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...es-and-li.html
The "stupid" comment probably stems from the fact that she has never demonstrated a firm grasp on anything that would be relevant to running a nation. And she seemingly takes pride in it.
hahaha, exxcéntrica, im glad to see you haven't changed! Since you didn’t like stupid, here are some other choices to describe Palin:
Naive, politically inept, inexperienced, not qualified, and antifeminist. Also, I believe it has been proven that she completely lacks any knowledge of politics and or foreign policy.
To avoid dry and obvious examples of what I have stated, here is a fun one. Although I will not say it is "stupid", it was definitely not her brightest moment. (for those who don’t know, the donkey represents the democratic party.....which is what she is supposed to be running against)
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stump...y-fashion.aspx
:p
thanks for sharing, emilyb...that is sooooo funny. I bet she didn't even realize until she read on the news...I mean, she does read the news??? I hope!
I particularly liked the story of a kid asking her about a President's job and she answering about the Vice President's job, making the most terrible mistake of all by telling the VP runs the Senate...
I am posting this just to give a little more of an idea of what Emilyb was talking about:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_141653.html
Oh, and...what relief and joy I am feeling as the truth that Barack Obama was elected as the next President of the United States of America is sinking in...
Being the President of US for the next four years is not going to be an easy task. For the sake US citizens I hope Obama can meet the challenge. Specially becasue USA's financial crisis is bound to affect the rest of the world's economy.
Let's us hope for the best; since pesimism will get us nowhere
God bless you all !!!
I'm so happy for the US people and for the rest of the world...I hope CHANGE is for everyone.
a great relief indeed, Scott!
Obama, Obama...ra ra ra!!!!:D:p;)