I saw this movie yesterday, and I didn´t get to finish it, I found it too flat. Have you guys seen it?
Any different opinion?
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I saw this movie yesterday, and I didn´t get to finish it, I found it too flat. Have you guys seen it?
Any different opinion?
I really liked it, and of course I cried at the end. Go finish it! :-D
I think it's an amazing love story. From a different perspective, of course.
The performance of the blonde guy is amazing... who could imagine he was such a good actor after seeing "A knight's tale"!
Sure..Quote:
Originally Posted by analaura
My wife -a U.S.born lady- started one day to "push" me to get to the movies with her. The purpose was to watch this movie you're talking about(Broke Back Mountain). She did enjoyed it.
I am from a country where the "machismo" among men is deeply-seated in people's hearts. I have thus been terribly affected by it, don't you think? -So, because of what I did at a certain scene in the movie, please have compassion on me, will you?
When I saw the two guys "locked in"(you know what I mean, don't you?) I did not find any positive effect and I regretted having come in the movie theater. I WALKED OUT of it, and left her enjoying her amazing film. I went in another room where they were playing "Cassino Royal", one of the James Bond's stories.
Overall... I DID NOT LIKE IT AT ALL.
Hope you still keep getting the most of it.
RAUL.
Honestly, I didn't like it at all and it has nothing to do with the whole gay thing. I just didn't buy the love story. I do think that the performances were good, but that's not enough to make a movie worth watching. I wouldn't recommend it.
Anyway, Analaura maybe you should finish it and see for you self if you like it or not.
hhmmm, i really liked the movie as well. i guess you may need to be a bit more open minded seeker50. machismo or not, your reaction seems a bit overly dramatic. :mad:
I liked the movie, too. It is a controversial topic, of course, but that makes the film even more intense. It is an adult movie, some scenes are harsh.
M:D
Did you happen to know that one of the stars of the movie, Heath Ledger, died last week of an overdose? :S
Yes, it's a real shame... he was such a promising actor... and such a sudden death...
I wish I could be that open minded guy, Emily. And honestly, I've acted that way other times before, I mean, in an unbiased-based attitude concerning different events in life. Unfortunately--and just so you think it over--I just can't get any benefit out of watching a film containing scenes which, in the long run(and this should not be the case for every individual in the world..this is just me..Do you understand?) may bring a loathsome aftermath upon me. So, let's try to put my message across accordingly : I have believed in many of the statements made by Sigmund Freud, which may be the principle preventing me from becoming the non-discriminatory guy you meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by emilyb
In psychoanalysis, the subconscious is the part of the psychic apparatus that does not ordinarily enter the individual's awareness but may be manifested by slips of the tongue,dreams,or neurotic symptoms. The origin of many neurotic symptoms is said to depend on conflicts that have been removed from consciousness by repression and maintained in the unconscious through various defense mechanisms. Recent biopsychological explorations have shed light on the relationship between brain physiology and the levels of consciousness at which people retain memories.
So, in a nutshell..if, as a result of memories not being recalled at present but still available to be recalled at will(coming from external factors such as watching a movie like that).. my subconscious is going to sooner or later direct my attention to performing an action rated as part of human behavioral disturbances that I consider to be against my morale(maybe yours is totally fine on this matter, so, to you, there's nothing wrong with it), I would rather refrain myself from watching something that I grade as fruitless. I've known about many cases in which those who believed themselves to be error-free people when watching scenes like these, ended up fulfilling the same role, once in a lifetime, but they failed.
Hope I got through to you this time.
seeker50.
Seeker50, you are so right: It has been scientifically proven that watching a gay scene makes you gay. The subconscious is a very powerful thing, as proven by our famous cigar-sucking friend Dr. Freud. Im glad you recognize that exposure to such immoral things is a sure-fire road to sin. The only problem is that you actually entered the theatre, so ...
Just to make a little correction on the last part of your statement, Justin : you're right. I did enter the theater. And believe me.. it took us a lot of time and discussion, deliberation, rumination or whatever we can call it, in order for us( my wife and I) to get to the movies and watch this film. My wife was kind of dead set to go in the theater and put me in troubles by reminding me of a previous promise I had made some time ago. So, I couldn't back away from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by justinb
Besides, and I am being honest with you, I didn't have the slightest idea of what the film was going to show me at a certain part of it, you know what I'm talking about. So, when that piece was shown, I didn't even finish watching it. I just got out of that room and went into the other one next to it( James Bond's film, "Cassino Royale" was on).
Anyway, thanks for agreeing with me on my prior statement.
Regards,
seeker50.
Hi emilyb! I make your words mine to say that I think you may need to be a bit more open minded to accept that there may be other opinions than yours...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by emilyb
Best regards,
Just to clear the air and include myself in on the participation of this conversation...justinb was being sarcastic. He, I, and numerous others are going to have a hard time believing that a movie can make you gay or truly affect your behavior in many different contexts. You, seeker50, since you mentioned that you had a wife (I think...), are an adult and can make choices on your own. I would never ask anyone to enjoy the depiction of homosexual-related activities...but it's not witchcraft.
Hahahahaha RIDICULOUS. And to think, all those years studying psychology and the thousands of dollars I spent studying it, and I was never trained PROPERLY. I never found out that watching movies with scenes makes you gay!!! (Seeker, this is also sarcasm)
I just don't understand. I just can't get it. I mean, How could it possibly be that there are still many individuals in this world who have a very hard time accepting other's viewpoints ? It is not just other's viewpoints but also, it should be other's mottos governing their lives as a result of being raised either in a large or small group called society which has shaped you in a certain way so that you think different than everybody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by emilyb
I've provided you with a deferential response primarily based upon psychoanalisis. That should be fine. Then, What is your feedback is going to be like ? A remark that clearly brings into relief that fact you seem like being eaten up with peevishness coming from not being able to find the right terms to address this issue accordingly ? Try something better. And by the way, the misspelling of the word you just typed in calls for a correction which I guess you'll humbly accept, won't you? -It is not REDICULOUS but RIDICULOUS.
Overall, if this is the reality surrounding this topic, I'd rather pull out of it. It's not worth trying to move forward...
Try not to see "Die Hard," maybe it would turn you into a violent person. And "Jurassic Park" may turn you into a dinosaur. Anyone seen "Boys Don`t Cry?" I heard it's a great one. Hope it isn't too rIdiculous for some. ;)
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I WALKED OUT of it,
I have seen the film, too. I didn't know this had become such an intense discussion.Quote:
your reaction seems a bit overly dramatic
I thought it was rather dramatic, but , of course, in those days and being a macho cowboy and all....
In any case, I do not blame seeker at all! I actually agree with him. he didn't like the film? Ok, for whatever reason: WALK OUT OF IT! I think it is the best choice. I have never understood people bearing something they really dislike just because "they paid the ticket". Not for me! I would have done the same. And I also think that seeker should be allowed to dislike homosexuality. So what? I believe we do not have to be on the same wavelength in everything and be branded as "outdated" or snobbish or racist for everything we do.
Justin, you are being very bad!! jejejeQuote:
It has been scientifically proven that watching a gay scene makes you gay.
Mem, dear, please don't change!Quote:
I make your words mine to say that I think you may need to be a bit more open minded to accept that there may be other opinions than yours...http://www.english-spanish-translato...ilies/wink.gif
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I just don't understand. I just can't get it. I mean, How could it possibly be that there are still many individuals in this world who have a very hard time accepting other's viewpoints ?
On the whole, I do not believe you are right, seeker. It has been proven that even children with same-se x parents do not automatically become lesbi*ns or gay. However, I do agree with your statement above. Your opinion is just as good as any others. .Emily, you do seem to have a hard time accepting opinions which do not agree with yours.. Your examples are not only ridiculous but also unfair to seeker.Quote:
Originally Posted by emilyb
We should Try to follow the wording:
LET'S AGREE TO DISAGREE!
I've seen the movie and if you place yourself in the time that the cowboys are supposed to be living, you would "buy" the plot much more than if you looked at it from 2008.
I thought it was a very sad love story. Reminded me of Romeo and Juliet who love each other very much but can't be together because of others.
I think everyone has a right to walk out on any movie he/she wants.
Although personally, I think walking out of Brokeback Mountain because the gays are having s ex is like walking out of American Gangster because the gangster is black, or on Schindler's list because he is saving jews...
Which brings me to another thought. Generally, men who can't tolerate to see a gay scene can perfectly tolerate to see a very similar les bian or heterosexual scene, how come? (but this is probably a subject for a different post, on a different forum!! :D)
I don't know, sometimes it also happens that you don't expect such very direct scenes. I don't remember any of those in this movie, tell you the truth...Quote:
Originally Posted by Veronica
However, I do remember in the film "Cruising" with the great Al Pacino, very impressive, somebody right at the beginning fainting in the cinema. The young man fell right off the chair.
Wrong example Verónica... it's like walking out of "Deep Throat" because you're not really interested to see how this lady performs oral s e x one time after another... (Mind you she has some kind of physical problem :rolleyes: ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Veronica
It has nothing to do with jews or black people... you just like it or not... What's up with you people?? Can't you accept a different opinion?
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Originally Posted by Veronica
:eek: What???
I'm sorry, but I think my examples are perfect.
I'm not going to compare a perfectly decent movie with a great plot about a love story and a very acceptable adult scene with a p orn movie called "Deep Throat", that is probably cheap and plotless by the way.
Your examples denote "racial discrimination"... In my opinion walking out of Brokeback Mountain because you don't like watching two guys making love has nothing to do with Schindler's list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veronica
And has nothing to do with accepting g a y s or homosexuality... One of my best friends is homosexual Vero... I just wonder why it's so difficult for some of you to accept other's opinions...
Best regards,
Quote : Seeker50, you are so right: It has been scientifically proven that watching a gay scene makes you gay. The subconscious is a very powerful thing, as proven by our famous cigar-sucking friend Dr. Freud.
I wasn't aware of recent findings on this regard, frankly. I mean,from your statement, I just can tell ! You're up-to-date on what's going on concerning breakthroughs. Obviously, that's why you dropped out of the habit. Well done, good boy...
Seeker, first off, you make me laugh. First you thanked me for agreeing with you, even though i was being sarcastic. I was making a joke about your ignorance and everyone else here realized it except you. I would suggest you find a forum where you understand what's going on. Maybe www.imscaredimgoingtobegay.com?
Second off, your position is bizarre, to say the least. "Accept me because I judge others." "Tolerate my intolerance and stupidity."
And finally, if you are trying to offend me by calling me gay, then you're going to have to try a lot harder. Oh no, some homophobe is anonymously calling me gay through his computer! You are pathetic.
First...
I DID know you were being sarcastic, Justin. My answer to your statement was definitely an intelligent way to avoid to give you the feedback you were expecting me to give you. -And yet you are now proving that you were unable to get the message whose content I consider it was quite rational, I just took some of the words you typed in, just the fitting ones. And then, I dropped you a few lines.
Second..
Your intelligence and my ignorance. About the latter, let's leave it there. That's your well-centered opinion about me. Fine. Now, one of the best ways for you to prove your sapience is by using the right terms to thoughtfully correct the person you look down on as you consider him to be wrong. That should've been smart. You, instead, made a sarcastic remark on my position as if you were quite eager to show everybody that you're stuck-up.
Third..
I haven't the foggiest about what you mean "Accept me because I judge others". All I did was give a full explanation(the one it has now been distorted and inexplicably biased ) why I stand on this matter the way you already know. Re-read it carefully. I don't think of myself being judgemental at all.
Fourth..
Don't say "everyone else" here realized it. Be fair. Don't extrapolate the wrong way. Read the whole thread and do not let your haughtiness run away with you. There have been others who courteously have respected others' opinions. Not just mine but others' opinions.
And finally..
I'll tell you why I got back to your sarcasm and made up my mind : there was a lady next to me yesterday at night and read what you had typed in. She said: "I know you're an easygoing man. But you cannot let him be that sarcastic on your comment. Now, get on the keyboard and write him back the way he wants to." -I refused to do so. Then, we played scrabble for a while. And we betted on you ! If I lost the last game, I would have to write to you the way you wanted. Consequently, here I am. Your unexplainably sarcastic remark was turned into a reason for a stake..
Now, if you want to believe it, that's fine. If you don't, I have no solution for it.
Emilyb..Quote:
Originally Posted by emilyb
La mayoría --por no decir todos--los argentinos que he conocido hasta la fecha, expresan sus ideas haciendo uso de un Español tan diáfano que a mí, no me queda otra que emularles, siendo eso justamente lo que yo intento hacer al escribir estas líneas. Y espero que tú, como argentina, sepas entenderme.
A juzgar tanto por el contenido de mi opinión inicial (en referencia a la película) como por la respuesta que yo obtuve de parte tuya, puedo deducir de que algo en tu ser interior resultó mortificado. Debo también aclarar que lo de Freud no tiene fundamento sólido alguno. Lo saqué a colación por el simple hecho de vertir algo en el foro, que de antemano, yo sabía que no tendría la validez que el caso ameritaba. En síntesis, mucho en cuanto a emotividad fué sin duda el aliciente por el cual me dejé llevar.
A estas alturas, el tema ha entrado en una esfera donde la discrepancia presenta extremos donde las palabras encierran en forma palmaria un significado que raya en el disgusto y la ofensa. Pienso que esto resulta nocivo en un ambiente que, como en este foro, el deseo de ayudar(entre traductores) desinteresadamente sobresale como la característica principal de la cual el mismo debe estar impregnado.
Yo no tengo absolutamente nada en contra ni de los homosexuales ni de las lesbianas. Tienen el derecho a vivir en paz, expresarse, y manifestarse libremente, mayormente en sociedades regidas por lineamientos democráticos. Sin embargo( y si estoy errado, por favor corrígeme en este punto sabiamente), pienso que ello no me obliga en manera alguna a permanecer en una sala de cine en contra de mi voluntad, si es que yo hago uso de la libertad de pensamiento y expresión así como también de locomoción, que identifican a cualquier sociedad humana normal.
Entonces, en virtud del efecto ocasionado en tu persona por el comentario inicial que hice en relación con el tema(y respuestas posteriores que surgieron), la lógica me dicta lo obvio : solicitarte las disculpas del caso. Deveras mis disculpas. Buena cosa sería olvidar lo que se derivó después. ¿No creés?
De antemano, gracias por las dispensas en este sentido.
seeker50.
Justinb...
I acknowledge that the reasoning I brought forward , which was intended to back up the decision I'd made to walk out of the movie theater(Freud-based reasoning), lacked substantiation as to be introduced in this forum.
I know it is untrue and there is no evidence proving it. It was something I created in a despondently manner, with the only purpose of having my point pretty much regarded.
I have nothing against homosexuals, in any society. They, just like lesbians, are humans just like me.
However, --and I get hopes that you will agree with me on this point--there should not be a reason nor should there be anybody forcing me into staying in a movie theater against my will. I have free will, a free will that you have as well.
When I got engaged in this topic, I never thought it could reach this far. It didn't cross my mind. And since your first feedback clearly bordered on the corrosiveness, I guess it was because I hurt your feelings somehow. Please, accept my apologies for having done so. The aftermath should be forgotten at this point. I am just trying to get things back on track the way they are supposed to be in a forum like this, where all of us--the ones who work in the translation field--are continually looking forward to being of help to each other.
Again, my apologies. Let's make up and move forward. Is that O.K.?
seeker50.
Dear Seeker,Quote:
Originally Posted by seeker50
I'm sorry I called you pathetic. The fact that you're betting on ME in a Scrabble game obviously proves otherwise.
But I'm afraid you missed something important. You think you're writing me back "the way [i] wanted." I actually told you to find another forum i.e. don't post anymore. This forum is no place for your homophobic rants and pseudo-science blabbering. I have better things to do than argue over the internet with some homophobe who thinks watching a movie will make him gay.
The one thing I don't get though is why people here continue to say, "Accept others' opinions," when their opinion is nothing but small-minded prejudice. Prejudice is prejudice, the racism and nazi reference was spot-on.
Justinb,
As moderator, you are abusing of your power when you argue with a user as if you were equals.
Seeker, no worries, you didn't hurt my feelings. I'm sorry as well, what we are doing is quite unproductive. You are right, this forum could be something great for all of us in the field.
I lost sight of the fact that this forum, by its very nature, invites different opinions and cultures, none of which should be belittled or sarcastically responded to in the way I did. I apologize for that.
Best, Justinb
I was just going to suggest: Let's all start counting.......1...2...3...
Counting, my husband always says, I should count till 100 EVERY DAY!!, really helps! jeje