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lauracipolla · 06-09-2009, 05:23 PM

Do you know who Francisco Porr�a is? He's the one who translated into Spanish the three volumes of the "Lord of the Rings"...

If you want to read the story (in Spanish), I have just posted an article about it in my blog:
http://blog-de-traducciones.spanisht...009-06-09.html

Veronica · 06-10-2009, 08:53 AM

Well, I hate that guy!!!
He translated all the names!! How can you turn Baggins into Bolsón, and Samwise into Samsagaz????

mariabelen · 06-10-2009, 09:29 AM

Jajaja, it's so trueee. Well, sadly we'll have to cope with it. It's already done

Saludi�os,

Bel

analaura · 06-10-2009, 09:55 AM

yeah, but I guess he must have had their approval, right? to translate the names...

well, whatever, done and cashed!

lauracipolla · 06-10-2009, 10:33 AM

hey, guys! I agree it wasn't probably his best idea... (I confess I haven't read the books... or you're talking about the movie dubbing???) those names must sound awful. but they're not simple names, they have "meaning", and I guess the idea was to express the "bagging" and the "wise"... think of all the people who could only read the story in Spanish, not bilinguals like us! maybe it was not so bad...

(just a thought)

Veronica · 06-10-2009, 11:06 AM

I bought the 3 books when I was like 13 and I read them in Spanish, because after reading a bit I didn't want to spend more money on the English version, but the several other Tolkien books I bought after that were in English!!

I think it doesn't matter if the names enclose a meaning, they shouldn't be translated. He could have included a foot note...

In Tolkien fantasy there are many artificial languages that he created specially for his books, like Quenya and Sindarin, and the translator wouldn't translate those!!

Veronica · 06-10-2009, 11:29 AM

By the way, great post Laura!!!

vicente · 06-10-2009, 01:26 PM

Interesting posts. Just a side comment here. I agree that it isn't a good idea to try to translate proper names. They are what they are. Perhaps Baggins has something to do with bags (or bolsas) but perhaps not. It might be a legitmate apellido. And Samwise may or may not have anything to do with Sam having wisdom. Lots of words end in wise...clockwise, otherwise, elsewise, etc. In fact, it is a hyphenated suffix sometimes applied to a word, e.g., health-wise which means "as it pertains to" health or like "beauty-wise" ( "She's a real winner...beauty-wise, but not too smart" or " He's great, work-wise, but not very friendlyl"

If I'm reading a Spanish novel translated into English I don't want Juan del Valle translated to John of the Valley.

lauracipolla · 06-10-2009, 02:13 PM

hahaha! excellent comment, vicente!
;-)

06-09-2009, 05:23 PM	#1
lauracipolla Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I'm from La Plata, Argentina Posts: 316 Rep Power: 451	Translators that give us a bit of envy... Do you know who Francisco Porr�a is? He's the one who translated into Spanish the three volumes of the "Lord of the Rings"... If you want to read the story (in Spanish), I have just posted an article about it in my blog: http://blog-de-traducciones.spanisht...009-06-09.html

06-10-2009, 08:53 AM	#2
Veronica Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 811 Rep Power: 297	Re: Translators that give us a bit of envy... Well, I hate that guy!!! He translated all the names!! How can you turn Baggins into Bolsón, and Samwise into Samsagaz???? __________________ mmm...papas fritas.

06-10-2009, 09:29 AM	#3
mariabelen Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 217 Rep Power: 173	Re: Translators that give us a bit of envy... Jajaja, it's so trueee. Well, sadly we'll have to cope with it. It's already done Saludi�os, Bel

06-10-2009, 09:55 AM	#4
analaura Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 626 Rep Power: 304	Re: Translators that give us a bit of envy... yeah, but I guess he must have had their approval, right? to translate the names... well, whatever, done and cashed!

06-10-2009, 10:33 AM	#5
lauracipolla Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I'm from La Plata, Argentina Posts: 316 Rep Power: 451	Re: Translators that give us a bit of envy... hey, guys! I agree it wasn't probably his best idea... (I confess I haven't read the books... or you're talking about the movie dubbing???) those names must sound awful. but they're not simple names, they have "meaning", and I guess the idea was to express the "bagging" and the "wise"... think of all the people who could only read the story in Spanish, not bilinguals like us! maybe it was not so bad... (just a thought)

06-10-2009, 11:06 AM	#6
Veronica Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 811 Rep Power: 297	Re: Translators that give us a bit of envy... I bought the 3 books when I was like 13 and I read them in Spanish, because after reading a bit I didn't want to spend more money on the English version, but the several other Tolkien books I bought after that were in English!! I think it doesn't matter if the names enclose a meaning, they shouldn't be translated. He could have included a foot note... In Tolkien fantasy there are many artificial languages that he created specially for his books, like Quenya and Sindarin, and the translator wouldn't translate those!! __________________ mmm...papas fritas.

06-10-2009, 11:29 AM	#7
Veronica Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 811 Rep Power: 297	Re: Translators that give us a bit of envy... By the way, great post Laura!!! __________________ mmm...papas fritas.

06-10-2009, 01:26 PM	#8
vicente Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 598 Rep Power: 1079	Re: Translators that give us a bit of envy... Interesting posts. Just a side comment here. I agree that it isn't a good idea to try to translate proper names. They are what they are. Perhaps Baggins has something to do with bags (or bolsas) but perhaps not. It might be a legitmate apellido. And Samwise may or may not have anything to do with Sam having wisdom. Lots of words end in wise...clockwise, otherwise, elsewise, etc. In fact, it is a hyphenated suffix sometimes applied to a word, e.g., health-wise which means "as it pertains to" health or like "beauty-wise" ( "She's a real winner...beauty-wise, but not too smart" or " He's great, work-wise, but not very friendlyl" If I'm reading a Spanish novel translated into English I don't want Juan del Valle translated to John of the Valley. __________________ vicente

06-10-2009, 02:13 PM	#9
lauracipolla Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I'm from La Plata, Argentina Posts: 316 Rep Power: 451	Re: Translators that give us a bit of envy... hahaha! excellent comment, vicente! ;-)

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