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Gustavo Lucardi · 11-19-2007, 10:49 AM

You were right I was speaking about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Leibniz

El Matador · 11-19-2007, 11:31 AM

The very same!! I just visited the Wikipedia link that you gave, I don't remember that much, I'm sure what I learnt of him was somewhat less than appears in Wiki: !!
Many thanks

El. Matador

Gabriel · 11-19-2007, 03:28 PM

I didn't know that quote from Leibniz... nice!
Gilles Deleuze used to say that every good writer, every interesting writer "speaks a language as a foreigner in that language". He spoke of agrammaticalities. An example is "she dance her did" instead of "she did her dance", where, he says, there is an expression that escapes mere words. A more common expression I can come up with is "I have one too many"... beauties of English. I guess in a certain sense English is a foreign language even for English itself.

El Matador · 11-20-2007, 02:08 PM

Gabriel,

I have received notification of your post, but so far, I am not able to find it here.

I trust that I have not started a philosophical thread, I really do not intend to continue with it if it should develop thus!

I will only mention that, as I recall from the writing of Gilles Deleuze, he penned the phrase - "The philosopher creates, he doesn't reflect." I believe that he wrote, amongst the many literary feats of his, a couple of books on Capitalism and Schizophrenia. I never got around to reading them - probably because my French was not too good and continually referring to a dictionary lessens the enjoyment! Schizophrenia, I studied later in life and Capitalism - well, how do we live? according to the critics !!

El Matador
(retreating from all this philosophical posting!)

Gabriel · 11-23-2007, 01:35 PM

Well, I don't think it is a question of trying to be or not to be philosophical. I can tell you that languages tend to move us that way.
You were right about the writings of Deleuze, but I highly recommend "Critical and Clinical", where he analyzes all these "little speeches" by great writers. There you will find these ideas you were talking about.

El Matador · 11-23-2007, 01:49 PM

Thank you Gabriel,

I know what you are describing, and I thoroughly agree.

I shall check out your recommendation, thank you.

El Matador

(Back to my retreat!)

11-19-2007, 10:49 AM	#21
Gustavo Lucardi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 859 Rep Power: 696	Gottfried Leibniz You were right I was speaking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Leibniz

11-20-2007, 02:08 PM	#24
El Matador Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: South of Spain Posts: 12 Rep Power: 25	This question? Gabriel, I have received notification of your post, but so far, I am not able to find it here. I trust that I have not started a philosophical thread, I really do not intend to continue with it if it should develop thus! I will only mention that, as I recall from the writing of Gilles Deleuze, he penned the phrase - "The philosopher creates, he doesn't reflect." I believe that he wrote, amongst the many literary feats of his, a couple of books on Capitalism and Schizophrenia. I never got around to reading them - probably because my French was not too good and continually referring to a dictionary lessens the enjoyment! Schizophrenia, I studied later in life and Capitalism - well, how do we live? according to the critics !! El Matador (retreating from all this philosophical posting!)

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11-19-2007, 11:31 AM	#22
El Matador Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: South of Spain Posts: 12 Rep Power: 25	The very same!! I just visited the Wikipedia link that you gave, I don't remember that much, I'm sure what I learnt of him was somewhat less than appears in Wiki: !! Many thanks El. Matador

11-19-2007, 03:28 PM	#23
Gabriel Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 206 Rep Power: 113	I didn't know that quote from Leibniz... nice! Gilles Deleuze used to say that every good writer, every interesting writer "speaks a language as a foreigner in that language". He spoke of agrammaticalities. An example is "she dance her did" instead of "she did her dance", where, he says, there is an expression that escapes mere words. A more common expression I can come up with is "I have one too many"... beauties of English. I guess in a certain sense English is a foreign language even for English itself.

11-23-2007, 01:35 PM	#25
Gabriel Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 206 Rep Power: 113	Well, I don't think it is a question of trying to be or not to be philosophical. I can tell you that languages tend to move us that way. You were right about the writings of Deleuze, but I highly recommend "Critical and Clinical", where he analyzes all these "little speeches" by great writers. There you will find these ideas you were talking about.

11-23-2007, 01:49 PM	#26
El Matador Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: South of Spain Posts: 12 Rep Power: 25	Thank you Gabriel, I know what you are describing, and I thoroughly agree. I shall check out your recommendation, thank you. El Matador (Back to my retreat!)

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