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El Detective · 04-14-2008, 12:35 PM

I was studying voseo on the internet trying to learn a little Spanish my beautiful Mexican wife doesn't know (just to tease her) and I came across a website with pronunciation. The vos pronunciations were as I expected but when the reader pronounced vos llam�s, the "ll" was pronounced as "sh". Does anyone know if this is specific to a region. We have a friend from Honduras who uses voseo but pronounces the "ll" the way I was taught in school (like an "y"). Any ideas?

Joel

exxc�ntrica · 04-14-2008, 12:43 PM

AS far as I know, Argentinians pronounce the ll as sh.

In Spain the ll is pronounced, although it varies a little from place to place, like the y.

El Detective · 04-14-2008, 12:56 PM

Thanks Exx,

By the way, why do you use that wretched French quote. Le Ménagier should have been hung by his dangling participles.

Joel

exxc�ntrica · 04-14-2008, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Detective

By the way, why do you use that wretched French quote. Le M�nagier should have been hung by his dangling participles.

Joel

I think everybody agrees on this point!

I think I will have a go at it and change it....

exxc�ntrica · 04-14-2008, 01:19 PM

OK, done!!

mem286 · 04-14-2008, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exxc�ntrica

AS far as I know, Argentinians pronounce the ll as sh.

In Spain the ll is pronounced, although it varies a little from place to place, like the y.

That's correct my friend. In Argentina we pronounce "y" as "Sh" and "LL" as "sh" as well

Veronica · 04-14-2008, 05:36 PM

Actually, I think some regions of Argentina use this pronunciation.
Generally the nothern regions pronouce a much softer "ll" and "y", and it ends up sounding like "i", like "iuvia", "io", etc.

exxc�ntrica · 04-15-2008, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veronica

Actually, I think some regions of Argentina use this pronunciation.
Generally the nothern regions pronouce a much softer "ll" and "y", and it ends up sounding like "i", like "iuvia", "io", etc.

Oh, how interesting. I thought the "ll" was pronounced like the "sh" all over Argentina.

El Detective · 04-15-2008, 05:24 AM

Thus spake Zarathustra!

Mucho mejor.

Joel

El Detective · 04-15-2008, 05:27 AM

I used to think Spanish was wonderfully easy because, unlike English, every letter has only one pronunciation. Little did I know. Thank you all for the replies.

Joel

04-14-2008, 12:35 PM	#1
El Detective Contributing User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 196 Rep Power: 458	ll Pronunciation I was studying voseo on the internet trying to learn a little Spanish my beautiful Mexican wife doesn't know (just to tease her) and I came across a website with pronunciation. The vos pronunciations were as I expected but when the reader pronounced vos llam�s, the "ll" was pronounced as "sh". Does anyone know if this is specific to a region. We have a friend from Honduras who uses voseo but pronounces the "ll" the way I was taught in school (like an "y"). Any ideas? Joel

04-14-2008, 12:43 PM	#2
exxc�ntrica Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 1,146 Rep Power: 1148	AS far as I know, Argentinians pronounce the ll as sh. In Spain the ll is pronounced, although it varies a little from place to place, like the y. __________________ �Los hombres son superiores a las mujeres porque Al� les otorg� la primacia sobre ellas. Portanto, di� a los varones el doble de lo que di� a las mujeres. Los maridos que sufrieran desobediencia de sus mujeres pueden castigarlas: abandonarlas en sus lechos, e incluso golpearlas. No se leg� al hombre mayor calamidad que la mujer." *El Cor�n (libro sagrado de los musulmanes, recitado por Al� a Maom� en el siglo VI)*

04-14-2008, 01:19 PM	#5
exxc�ntrica Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 1,146 Rep Power: 1148	OK, done!! __________________ �Los hombres son superiores a las mujeres porque Al� les otorg� la primacia sobre ellas. Portanto, di� a los varones el doble de lo que di� a las mujeres. Los maridos que sufrieran desobediencia de sus mujeres pueden castigarlas: abandonarlas en sus lechos, e incluso golpearlas. No se leg� al hombre mayor calamidad que la mujer." *El Cor�n (libro sagrado de los musulmanes, recitado por Al� a Maom� en el siglo VI)*

04-14-2008, 05:36 PM	#7
Veronica Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 811 Rep Power: 297	Actually, I think some regions of Argentina use this pronunciation. Generally the nothern regions pronouce a much softer "ll" and "y", and it ends up sounding like "i", like "iuvia", "io", etc. __________________ mmm...papas fritas.

04-15-2008, 05:24 AM	#9
El Detective Contributing User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 196 Rep Power: 458	Thus spake Zarathustra! Mucho mejor. Joel __________________ "El verdadero objectivo de la vida no es el destino final, si no disfrutar el camino."

04-14-2008, 12:56 PM	#3
El Detective Contributing User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 196 Rep Power: 458	Thanks Exx, By the way, why do you use that wretched French quote. Le Ménagier should have been hung by his dangling participles. Joel

04-15-2008, 05:27 AM	#10
El Detective Contributing User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 196 Rep Power: 458	I used to think Spanish was wonderfully easy because, unlike English, every letter has only one pronunciation. Little did I know. Thank you all for the replies. Joel __________________ "El verdadero objectivo de la vida no es el destino final, si no disfrutar el camino."

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