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    Wink Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    I was wondering, does this happen in every language that the both the color and the fruit are named the same?

    Do you know if this happens in every language?

    Do you know which came first?

    I have a possible answer, but first, let's brainstorm together!
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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    I say that the fruit comes first, then the color is named after the fruit. Lemon, lime, tangerine, grape, plum are some I can think of in English.
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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    Yesterday I talked to a Taiwanese national and asked him about this and they have a different fruit for the orange, the tangerine.
    So to most of the orient, Tangerine is the color, not Orange.
    It blows my mind a bit.
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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    I agree with Vicente. It seems the logical conclusion.

    I'm a bit confused by the tangerine/orange comment. Are you saying that they call the colour orange "tangerine"?

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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    Exactly. For example if you are wearing an Orange T-shirt in China/Taiwan and ask someone What color is this, they would say Tangerine, instead of Orange.
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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    Quote Originally Posted by eidjit View Post
    Exactly. For example if you are wearing an Orange T-shirt in China/Taiwan and ask someone What color is this, they would say Tangerine, instead of Orange.
    Ppl would respond "橘色" /J s/, which literally means "the color of orange". If we want to say orange as fruit we would use "橘子" /Jzi/ as orange the fruit.

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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    Colors are a particular subject in linguistics. You have a similar situation with "galuboy" in Russian that is not exactly a "blue". It is a principle that the referent came before the linguistic sign, so tangerines or oranges are the source of the name instead of being named after the called.

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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    This reminds me of the million question: "Which came first: the chicken or the egg?"

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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    Quote Originally Posted by danielr View Post
    Colors are a particular subject in linguistics. You have a similar situation with "galuboy" in Russian that is not exactly a "blue". It is a principle that the referent came before the linguistic sign, so tangerines or oranges are the source of the name instead of being named after the called.
    Thanks Daniel R that kind of solves the question of the Thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by iyuanobi View Post
    This reminds me of the million question: "Which came first: the chicken or the egg?"
    I've read it in a "Muy Interesante" Magazine, June 2017 edition
    It's been discovered that The first chicken as we know it, came from an animal that had not evolved to be a chicken yet and laid an egg that would become it.
    _Eidji

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    Default Re: Orange, Naranja, Color and fruit. Which came first?

    I found an article that says chickens are related to T Rex dinosaurs.

    https://toptodayblog.wordpress.com/2...t-explained-2/

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