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    i have a list of phrases -without any context again
    total pockets
    total coats
    where to put total -to the end or beginning
    Bolsillos totales??

    2) and other type of phrases that bothers me
    when the particple goes in the end again in the list

    books used
    workers training
    days remaining

    how to say that? - Libros Usados? I m absolutely
    lost with workers traning and days remaining! )
    thank you for ur help!

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    Hola,

    todo depende del contexto ¿es una lista?

    normalmente necesitarías algún artículo, por ejemplo "el total de los abrigos", "los libros usados"

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    hi again, Irine!

    books used: Libros usados
    workers training: entrenamiento de trabajadores or trabajadores entrenando (depending on the context)
    days remaining: días restantes
    total de....at the beginning.
    Realmente, el destino del mundo depende, en primer lugar, de los estadistas y, en segundo lugar, de los intérpretes.
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    I agree with SandraT, but I'd say "capacitación" instead of "entrenamiento" ("train" is both, and "entrenar" sounds to sports-oriented to me).

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    [quote=Irine]i have a list of phrases -without any context again
    total pockets total de bolsillos
    total coats total de abrigos
    where to put total -to the end or beginning
    Bolsillos totales??

    2) and other type of phrases that bothers me
    when the particple goes in the end again in the list

    books used libros usados
    workers training entrenamiento de trabajadores
    days remaining dias que quedan/faltan

    how to say that? - Libros Usados? I m absolutely
    lost with workers traning and days remaining! )

    Hi Irine,
    This is the best I can do without any context.
    Please remember that some words change when used in specific context.
    Dragona

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    Hi Lauracipolla, I agree with this.
    "capacitación" instead of "entrenamiento" ("train" is both, and "entrenar" sounds to sports-oriented to me).
    However thinking it over, we could also use práctica. I think if we use capacitación, this could refer to theory and practice, any or both of them.
    But if the workers are training, they are practicing what they learned. Please, correct me if I am wrong.
    So, after this, I would suggest using if training is a noun and not a verb, (período de) práctica de los trabajadores.
    What do you think?
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    Hmmm... Interesting debate, Sandra T. (BUT just to us I'm afraid... I think Irine would get confused...)

    Anyway, and since we like it, let's analyze further... "Práctica" has the problem of being different from "practice" in English in that we use "practicar" in Spanish as synonym of executing, exercising, performing an activity (just like "practice" in English), but it also may mean "ensayar" (rehearse, train to become -a doctor, for example, BEFORE graduating; I remember this show that appeared on Argentine TV as "Los Practicantes", and it was about lawyers in full exercise of their profession... For us, "practicantes" equals undergraduates, "practising" to become professionals, right? at least in MY country)...

    So, I think this word further complicates matters! Now, to defend my point (haha): whether it's theoretical and practical activities, or just one of them, why not "capacitación"? "Training" doesn't exclude any of the two! Noun or verb, I think if workers are "in the training period", as you say, they could be "practising" and receiving information at the same time... If the phrase is "to train them" (verb), it's to "capacitarlos", don't you think?

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    Default I´d vote for "capacitación"

    I absolutely agree with you, Laura. At least in the office jargon in México, "capacitación" would be the usual word in this sentence, but I would change it a bit:

    workers training: trabajadores en capacitación o bajo capacitación,

    meaning that the workers are getting through a training program. I think training is functioning here as a verb, that is to say, "what the workers are doing". If the activity were "una práctica", the sentence would be "workers practicing" instead of "training".

    Saludos

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    I completely understand both POV, but my 2 cents go for entrenamiento.
    Maybe because it's what I've always heard, but that's the work that sounds right to me.
    Capacitaion sounds more like capability, to me. But that's just me and my funky ears !
    Well, now we're even!
    2 votes for capacitacion and 2 votes for entrenamiento
    Dragona

    PS I apologize in advance for missing the accents. I have no clue how to add them in this computer

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    “Capacitación” is actually better. “Entrenamiento” sounds more like a literal translation to me and it is used more for sports in Spanish.

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