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mai · 08-24-2007, 07:25 AM

Hola, podr�an ayudarme con un par de dudas?

C�mo traducir�an al ingl�s "fiscal de homicidios" y "procuradur�a capitalina"? Procuradur�a capitalina es lo mismo que Procuradur�a General de Justicial del DF?

Much�simas gracias,

M.

Anal�atranslations · 09-01-2007, 07:05 AM

Mira, no estoy muy segura. Pero creo que es asi:
"fiscal de homicidios" = public prosecutor of homicides or homicide district attorney
"procuraduria capitalina" = attorney's office who is inhabitant of the capital (this is the exact translation. Procuradur�a means attorney's office and capitalina, inhabitant of the capital)
Check, 'cause it could also be "general district's attorney office"

Thomas · 09-01-2007, 10:23 AM

I spent 30 years in the California criminal justice system, and I've never heard of a "public prosecutor of homicides or homicide district attorney", nor have I heard the expression "attorney's office who is inhabitant of the capital". Possibly what we are doing is translating a phrase or title for which there is NO equivalent in the second language.

Although in the movies all prosecutors seem to be called "district attorneys", in reality there is only one district attorney and the prosecutors who work under his supervision are "deputy district attorneys". The term may be shortened to merely "district attorney", but the shortened term is an error. It is common for the office of the district attorney to have units or teams that specialize in certain crimes: homicides, gang-related crimes, etc. The same is true of police forces.

Possibly what we need is more than a translation. Possibly we need to explain how a criminal justice system differs from that known to the reader of the second language. This extends to jails and prisons (they are NOT the same), police department and sheriff department, deputy probation officer and parole agent, etc.

Just a thought.

reminder · 09-05-2007, 07:29 PM

I agree with Thomas!!

I am an attornet-at-law in Argentina and the legal systems are very different.

Sometimes we have to give the idea, and do not translate the expression word by word, because the reader would see something he/she does not have in his/her own court system.

Thomas · 09-05-2007, 08:54 PM

The last time an attorney agreed with something I had said on was October 27, 1975. I said, "It's raining" and he replied, "It certainly is." Now I'll have to remember today's date too.

'enry'iggins · 09-21-2007, 06:16 AM

I've heard of a doubting Thomas before, but I never thought I would hear of it being the other way around, as it is with a doubted Thomas! I declare september 6th to be some manner of holiday indeed, whereby if Thomas's defendant stands beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt the trial closes, but if stood within the shadow, then six more weeks of seasonable doubt, and with no drout of reason.
http://www.geocities.com/estreightof...et/riddle.html

El Detective · 09-21-2007, 08:45 AM

Mai,

In La Ciudad de Mexico, Districto Federal, the birthplace of my beautiful wife, "el fiscal de homicidios" or more correctly "el fiscal central de investigaci�n de homicidios de la dependencia" currently Gustavo Salas Ch�ves, is the head of the office that investigates homicides perhaps best translated as the distric attorney for homicide investigations.

La procuradur�a capitalina is the office of the judge advocate general. Currently Renato Sales Gasque is the Federal District Judge Advocate General. Procuradur�a General de Justicial del DF and Procuradur�a Capitalina refer to the same office.

As you may be able to tell I visit D. F. regularly and take a grat interest in their justice system.

Joel El Detective

08-24-2007, 07:25 AM	#1
mai New Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 32	Mexico Hola, podr�an ayudarme con un par de dudas? C�mo traducir�an al ingl�s "fiscal de homicidios" y "procuradur�a capitalina"? Procuradur�a capitalina es lo mismo que Procuradur�a General de Justicial del DF? Much�simas gracias, M.

09-05-2007, 07:29 PM	#4
reminder Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 387 Rep Power: 468	Different countries - different legal systems I agree with Thomas!! I am an attornet-at-law in Argentina and the legal systems are very different. Sometimes we have to give the idea, and do not translate the expression word by word, because the reader would see something he/she does not have in his/her own court system.

09-05-2007, 08:54 PM	#5
Thomas Contributing User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Santo Domingo de Heredia, Costa Rica Age: 66 Posts: 197 Rep Power: 328	September 5, 2007 - a date to remember. The last time an attorney agreed with something I had said on was October 27, 1975. I said, "It's raining" and he replied, "It certainly is." Now I'll have to remember today's date too.

09-21-2007, 06:16 AM	#6
'enry'iggins New Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: United States Posts: 7 Rep Power: 30	About Doubt I've heard of a doubting Thomas before, but I never thought I would hear of it being the other way around, as it is with a doubted Thomas! I declare september 6th to be some manner of holiday indeed, whereby if Thomas's defendant stands beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt the trial closes, but if stood within the shadow, then six more weeks of seasonable doubt, and with no drout of reason. http://www.geocities.com/estreightof...et/riddle.html Last edited by 'enry'iggins : 09-21-2007 at 08:54 AM.

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09-01-2007, 07:05 AM	#2
Anal�atranslations New Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 33	Mira, no estoy muy segura. Pero creo que es asi: "fiscal de homicidios" = public prosecutor of homicides or homicide district attorney "procuraduria capitalina" = attorney's office who is inhabitant of the capital (this is the exact translation. Procuradur�a means attorney's office and capitalina, inhabitant of the capital) Check, 'cause it could also be "general district's attorney office"

09-01-2007, 10:23 AM	#3
Thomas Contributing User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Santo Domingo de Heredia, Costa Rica Age: 66 Posts: 197 Rep Power: 328	I spent 30 years in the California criminal justice system, and I've never heard of a "public prosecutor of homicides or homicide district attorney", nor have I heard the expression "attorney's office who is inhabitant of the capital". Possibly what we are doing is translating a phrase or title for which there is NO equivalent in the second language. Although in the movies all prosecutors seem to be called "district attorneys", in reality there is only one district attorney and the prosecutors who work under his supervision are "deputy district attorneys". The term may be shortened to merely "district attorney", but the shortened term is an error. It is common for the office of the district attorney to have units or teams that specialize in certain crimes: homicides, gang-related crimes, etc. The same is true of police forces. Possibly what we need is more than a translation. Possibly we need to explain how a criminal justice system differs from that known to the reader of the second language. This extends to jails and prisons (they are NOT the same), police department and sheriff department, deputy probation officer and parole agent, etc. Just a thought.

09-21-2007, 08:45 AM	#7
El Detective Contributing User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 196 Rep Power: 458	Mai, In La Ciudad de Mexico, Districto Federal, the birthplace of my beautiful wife, "el fiscal de homicidios" or more correctly "el fiscal central de investigaci�n de homicidios de la dependencia" currently Gustavo Salas Ch�ves, is the head of the office that investigates homicides perhaps best translated as the distric attorney for homicide investigations. La procuradur�a capitalina is the office of the judge advocate general. Currently Renato Sales Gasque is the Federal District Judge Advocate General. Procuradur�a General de Justicial del DF and Procuradur�a Capitalina refer to the same office. As you may be able to tell I visit D. F. regularly and take a grat interest in their justice system. Joel El Detective

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