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    Talking shall

    Hi, I would ask you if these sentences are right in your opinion. I try to use shall with regard to the wonderful grammar explanation sent by Vicente. And the last ones are other forms of first conditional.

    Plan to, intend to: We shall visit Spain next December.
    will have to, is determined to, or definetely will:This matter is very important. You shall take a look at it.
    (in laws, directives, etc) must :Students shan´t bring cell phones to school.
    used interrogatively in questions, often in invitations:Shall we throw a party at the weekend?
    If sure, your answer will most likely ring true.
    If you continue taking offense, you might loose having fun.

    If somebody would like to mark my mistakes, I will be grateful to learn.
    And this is a quote of my own: "Less we want, less we have" What do you think about it?
    Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by maramaras
    Plan to, intend to: We shall visit Spain next December. correct
    will have to, is determined to, or definitely will:This matter is very important. You shall take a look at it.
    This could be said, in my opinion, with a different tense: You shall have to take a look at it.
    If not, it doesn't sound correct to me. Shall could perfectly be used with first persons: I shall take a look, we shall take a look...

    (in laws, directives, etc) must :Students shan´t bring cell phones to school. correct (though unusual)
    used interrogatively in questions, often in invitations:Shall we throw a party at the weekend? perfect

    If sure, your answer will most likely ring true.sorry, I believe you wanted to say: if correct, ....
    If you continue taking offense, you might miss having fun. correct


    "the less we want, the less we have"

    Here I also wonder what exactly you wanted to say. Would you like to include your Spanish version?
    saludos
    Los hombres son superiores a las mujeres porque Alá les otorgó la primacia sobre ellas. Portanto, dió a los varones el doble de lo que dió a las mujeres. Los maridos que sufrieran desobediencia de sus mujeres pueden castigarlas: abandonarlas en sus lechos, e incluso golpearlas.
    No se legó al hombre mayor calamidad que la mujer."


    El Corán (libro sagrado de los musulmanes, recitado por Alá a Maomé en el siglo VI)


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    Thank you Exxcentrica. I´ve understood your corrections, with the exception that shall could perfectly be used with first persons. Does it mean that using shall with you or they is unusual?
    Regarding to my quote, I tried to speak about that it is a useful idea to desire, to hope more things, and in this way, we might have them. I saw a similar expression in an Argentine movie, and it remembered me some notes on neurolinguistics(?). The Spanish version is: "Menos queremos, menos tenemos" (querer en el sentido de desear, exigir, no de amar)
    It is nice to learn here!
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    I was remembering this rule:

    For formal English, there is a rule which states that in the Simple Future, the auxiliary shall should be used in the first person, and the auxiliary will should be used in the second person and third person. Like the auxiliary will, the auxiliary shall is a modal auxiliary.

    Thus, in formal English, the Simple Future of the verb to work may be conjugated as follows:


    I shall work
    you will work
    he will work
    she will work
    it will work
    we shall work
    they will work
    Los hombres son superiores a las mujeres porque Alá les otorgó la primacia sobre ellas. Portanto, dió a los varones el doble de lo que dió a las mujeres. Los maridos que sufrieran desobediencia de sus mujeres pueden castigarlas: abandonarlas en sus lechos, e incluso golpearlas.
    No se legó al hombre mayor calamidad que la mujer."


    El Corán (libro sagrado de los musulmanes, recitado por Alá a Maomé en el siglo VI)


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    Maramar, please note that "remember" is used as : recordar algo, acordarse de algo, not in the sense: recordar algo a alquien.

    Recordar algo a alguien: remind

    Thus your sentence would be: I saw a similar expression in an Argentine movie, and it reminded me of some notes on
    Los hombres son superiores a las mujeres porque Alá les otorgó la primacia sobre ellas. Portanto, dió a los varones el doble de lo que dió a las mujeres. Los maridos que sufrieran desobediencia de sus mujeres pueden castigarlas: abandonarlas en sus lechos, e incluso golpearlas.
    No se legó al hombre mayor calamidad que la mujer."


    El Corán (libro sagrado de los musulmanes, recitado por Alá a Maomé en el siglo VI)


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    Originally Posted by maramaras

    will have to, is determined to, or definitely will:This matter is very important. You shall take a look at it.

    This could be said, in my opinion, with a different tense: You shall have to take a look at it.
    If not, it doesn't sound correct to me. Shall could perfectly be used with first persons: I shall take a look, we shall take a look...
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    Hello Exx and maramaras!!


    The best way to say this would be:


    You should take a look at it.


    If you said the same thing in the first person Exx you are correct. It would be better to say "I shall have to take a look at this".


    Saludos amigas.



    maramaras: just a spelling note regarding "loose".
    you might loose having fun. I think you intended to say you will lose having fun. This is a common spelling error. The word loose means "suelto". The word lose means "perder"
    (Exx correctly changed it to miss having fun)
    Last edited by vicente; 05-20-2008 at 01:05 PM.
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    Thank youuuuuu!!! I am learning from your answers! I´m going to practice with some sentences.
    Best regards.See you on new threads!!!

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